Thursday, December 14, 2006

The Biggest Losers

Last nights season finale of the Biggest Loser was, to say the least, amazing. That girl Poppi made me do a triple take. Erik was a completely different person and Brian, well, he's about to border into manorexia land (I thought he was hot as a fat man by the way). It was the best two hours I've had in a while. And, of course, (and this happens after every episode of the Biggest Loser), it made me want to go to the gym and start sweating. Will I? Probably not. Though, I like to think that I will one day.

Lindsey and I talk about the Biggest Loser often and we also talk about auditioning for the show. And, the reason we don't is very simple...we know we'd have an excellent chance of making it on the show. As many of you state in the comments section...those who aren't too busy making other's feel badly that is...we'd be awesome on the Biggest Loser. And, we would. We're funny, charismatic... I know that I could throw down some of the biggest excuses in Biggest Loser history to good old Bob the Trainer.

I also want to be pushed like that. I want to have nothing to do all day except train and count calories. I would love to focus 100% of my energy into changing my life. But, it's not practical for us at the moment life and job wise. And, well, there's that whole part about being on National TV.

I got to give it to the contestants for exposing themselves the way they do. I do not know how they gather the courage to look like fat pigs on television. Ever notice how at the beginning of the show the women have to wear sports bra tops exposing their huge bellies. Then, at the end of the show when they're skinny they can cover it all up? I don't need John Smith from high school seeing me at that state, even if I get hot looking at the end.

I know, it's all stupid, BS excuses I'm throwing out at you. Pretty pathetic. But, the truth is, we don't have the guts to do...no pun intended.

So, I ask all of you...our readers...send letters to NBC and The Biggest Loser and have them contact us.

MAKE US HAVE THE GUTS! (The good kind!)

164 comments:

Beauty said...

i wanna come too!

another_troll said...

See Fatties, the real reason why you'll never make it to The Biggest Loser is that to get on the show you not only have to be fat, charismatic, funny and good-looking, you also must REALLY, REALLY want to lose weight. The very premise of this blog is - in your own words - that you "don't do anything productive to not be as fat ... for we are also lazy." Somehow, I can't see you giving up your laziness and bingeing long enough to make it on the program, let alone the final.

The very fact that you are asking your loyal readers to petition for you, rather than making an audition tape like everyone else who wants to be on the program, tells me you're not serious. No one else can "make you have the guts" - the guts (so to speak) must come from within.

Yep, if you REALLY, REALLY wanted to lose weight, you would have done something about it by now.

Anonymous said...

Troll Avove: Why the hell are you on this blog!!!! SERIOUSLY...this is getting annoying.

I do believe they want to lose weight...I know they want it...we, for the most part...all do!

another_troll said...

anonymous - OK, maybe the McGees do want to lose weight, but something tells me they don't want to put in the effort. Asking other people to "give you the guts" is a dead giveaway.

Like I said, if they wanted to be on TBL, they'd be making an audition tape already (like thousands of other people).

marla said...

I do believe they want to lose weight...I know they want it...we, for the most part...all do!

So if the McGees want to lose weight why do they write all the time about overeating and not exercising?

And if(for the most part) you "all" want to lose weight, how come every time someone comes along and posts some sensible diet advice, you "all" hurl insults at them, accuse them of being bulimic/anorexic, tell them to piss off etc?

Really - I'd like to know.

Anonymous said...

Really - I'd like to know.

Because the ubiquitous trolls have proven time and time again that you don't "really" want to know, because we've told you over and over again that:

(1) we've heard your "sensible diet advice" pretty much every day of our lives (often multiple times). It's like constantly being stung by wasps. We've heard it enough and don't need to hear it yet again.

(2) in spite of all your theories on "thermodynamics," human metabolism isn't simple. "Eat sensibly and exercise an hour a day" just doesn't work for some of us.

To quote Absolutely Fabulous's Eddy "Sweetie darling, if it were that easy, everybody would be doing it."

marla said...

(1) we've heard your "sensible diet advice" pretty much every day of our lives (often multiple times). It's like constantly being stung by wasps. We've heard it enough and don't need to hear it yet again.

Here's a thought: Instead of ignoring the advice, why not actually listen to - or, better still, act on - it?

(2) in spite of all your theories on "thermodynamics," human metabolism isn't simple. "Eat sensibly and exercise an hour a day" just doesn't work for some of us.

Actually, the "theory" about human thermodynamics/metabolism isn't a theory - it's proven fact. Unless of course the person has some medical problem preventing them from losing weight, but somehow I suspect that the vast majority of fatties who post here don't fall into that category.

To quote Absolutely Fabulous's Eddy "Sweetie darling, if it were that easy, everybody would be doing it."

I never said it would be easy, just that it's possible.

Anonymous said...

So, I'm guessing, not too many people pay attention to you IRL, Marla?

Are you stupid or mentally ill?

Because the definition of insane is repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting different results---What exactly do you want on this blog? For people to have some magical revelation all thanks to SWEET OLD YOU? Because no one's smart enough to give advice like you do!

Why, exaclty, do you get pissed when people don't react kindly to your dumb-girl rant? What were you expecting, for God's sake?

Here's a thought: Instead of ignoring the advice, why not actually listen to - or, better still, act on - it?

Go read a book that's not about dieting.

Anonymous said...

Here's a thought: Instead of ignoring the advice, why not actually listen to - or, better still, act on - it?

Listen closely, Marla. This, in a nutshell, is why "every time someone comes along and posts some sensible diet advice, [we] 'all' hurl insults at them, accuse them of being bulimic/anorexic, tell them to piss off etc[.]"

WE HAVE ACTED ON IT!!!!! IT DIDN'T WORK FOR US. WE'RE NOT DELUSIONAL, OR IN DENIAL, OR LYING, OR STUPID. JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT DOESN'T MAKE IT NOT TRUE FOR US.

As for the thermodynamics of metabolism, I defy you to provide undisputed documentation that it is "proven fact."

To the non-trolls, I apologize for yelling, but sometimes it just impossible not to.

marla said...

WE HAVE ACTED ON IT!!!!! IT DIDN'T WORK FOR US. WE'RE NOT DELUSIONAL, OR IN DENIAL, OR LYING, OR STUPID. JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT DOESN'T MAKE IT NOT TRUE FOR US.

Well, if you're anything like the McGees, "acting on it" only lasted for a week, if that. Just admit that you're too lazy to diet and exercise and we'll both be happy.

cherree said...

I am not going to participate in this argument, except to point out that a troll isn't merely someone who doesn't agree with you, or the consensus, on a given forum.

P.S. McGees, please, submit a tape if you want to go. You're much funnier/smarter than any other women I've seen on the show.
Actually... that might work against you. Just make sure you show them that you can cry often, and make sure you use the words inspiration and journey often.

Anonymous said...

anon at 10:08pm said: "As for the thermodynamics of metabolism, I defy you to provide undisputed documentation that it is "proven fact."

Well, it's probably safe to say that no working physicist would actually dispute it. You can't produce weight (energy) from nowhere. If you are doubting it, you are probably part of the same crowd that believes the universe is 6000 years old and the Grand Canyon was produced in a few thousand years, and nothing we say will convince you otherwise. But even more sadly, you have a profound misunderstaning of WHY it is difficult to lose weight - physics and psychology are two very different animals..

Anonymous said...

No Marla, I tried it for about 25 years before I finally decided that it wasn't worth it. So sorry that I can't make you happy.

another_troll said...

Hmm... so I'm guessing that if one or both of the McGees did go on The Biggest Loser and got thin, most people here would turn on them?

Anonymous said...

CALLING ALL TROLLS:

THERE'S A BRIDGE THAT'S FEELING LONELY..THEY NEED YOU BACK...HURRY ALONG NOW.

Obesio said...

Putting aside the utterly boring and inane debate between malicious and unenlightening trolls and the chronically self-deluded...

I also was blown away by the TBL finale. The physical and (in some cases) emotional transformations are miraculous. And while I thought that a couple of the men might have dipped a bit low for the final weigh-in, most did not and I would guess that they will fill out a bit in the months ahead. I can't remember all of the stories, but did it seem like the most successful contestants were those who had not been fat their entire lives, but who had blown up recently?

Anonymous said...

Matt (Season 2 Winner) has an interview somewhere that kind of talks about this. He says casting for the show it 100% luck. They're not looking for just cool, good looking fat people, they have a "cast" they want to fill out. The spunky single girl who wants to lose it to find a man (Susie and Kai) the devoted father who wants to be there to watch his girls walk down the aisle (Eric and...what's his name from last year) the former athelete who wants to regain his glory days (Adrian maybe, Brian, and Matt from last season.)

Matt said everyone was asking him how to get on the show, but that the biggest mistake they made was not starting a fitness program on their own when they didn't make it. People he said who started out trying out for season one, and are still trying to get to season 4. He mentioned that if they had just done it on their own they would have lost the weight 2 years ago.

If you want to lose the weight badly enough to contemplate leaving family and friends for months and being shown on national television--use that drive to work on it at home.

The at homers proved that you don't have to be on the ranch to get results. (Poppi looks amazing!)

Anonymous said...

WE HAVE ACTED ON IT!!!!! IT DIDN'T WORK FOR US. WE'RE NOT DELUSIONAL, OR IN DENIAL, OR LYING, OR STUPID. JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT DOESN'T MAKE IT NOT TRUE FOR US.
____________


There is some truth to the statement above from anon. 10:08. Let's see one year from now how many have kept the weight off. I'm willing to bet it won't be many. Not everyone can keep up the unrealistic and exhausting pace of the show once they get back into the real world.

Tim said...

I love how they show the fat girls in sports bras and spandex shorts in the beginning because I think they're so friggin' sexy! That's the only way to see fatgirls on TV. Now, from another point of view, how else would you show America how fat these people are? You can't show them that if they're covered from head to toe in baggy sweats and sweatshirts.

Anonymous said...

I watched the show every week and also enjoyed it alot! I was wondering though if anyone knows exactly how long the season actually was? It was only on tv for a few months and the top 4 were on their own at home for 2 months (I thought) but the one lady showed up 5 months pregnant! Now did she get prego before the show started or when they were at home waiting for the finale? And Erik lost like 216lbs !! I don't care how much you work out it is going to take longer then 6 months to loose that much weight!?

So my question is .... does anyone know exactly when the season started?

another_troll said...

Matt said everyone was asking him how to get on the show, but that the biggest mistake they made was not starting a fitness program on their own when they didn't make it. People he said who started out trying out for season one, and are still trying to get to season 4. He mentioned that if they had just done it on their own they would have lost the weight 2 years ago.

If you want to lose the weight badly enough to contemplate leaving family and friends for months and being shown on national television--use that drive to work on it at home.


Thanks for that Allison - that's the point I was making above. If the McGees (or anyone else for that matter) REALLY want to lose weight, they already would have started doing so, rather than waiting for the false environment of a show that very few people get the chance to be on.

T. Comfyshoes said...

My one concern if you did make it on the show: you wouldn't be the Fatty McBloggers by the end of it, and I would miss you.

Anonymous said...

Annieann--They were at the ranch for 12 weeks, then they were on their own for 5 months. At the bottom of one of the before pictures it said "8 months ago" and they stated acouple of times that the final people were at home doing it themselves for 5 months. So I'm thinking the show started sometime in April?? That would be 8 months ago.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, but Erik is yucky looking. He's one of those people that discover thinness does not make someone more attractive. He's as ugly as ever. And Kai? Her stupid little outbreak at the end "Boo hoo, I'm soooo tired!!!" Whatever. She's tired from parting too much, not because she went home to a child and a husband and a house to take care of on top of trying to fit work outs and eating healthy. Grow up Kai, you dumb ass! So you had to give up drinking? Who cares? You're ugly too!

Ann Onymous

another_troll said...

My one concern if you did make it on the show: you wouldn't be the Fatty McBloggers by the end of it, and I would miss you.

You'd miss them? Or would you hate them because they were no longer fat?

Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure that she said 'miss them,' another_troll.

Anonymous said...

I am someone who has urged the girls to audition (did on the post before this one). Hooray girls... I know you have the guts. Loving you to bits...

jessiferseabs said...

I would like to point out that there is a big difference between wanting to lose weight, and wanting to be thin.

I don't know anybody who wouldn't like to wake up thin, not having had to work for it, and not having to worry about gaining weight for the rest of their lives.

The truth is, for those of us who weren't blessed with the metabolism of a racehorse and aren't naturally inclined to enjoy healthy foods and exercise, it takes a lot more work to LOSE WEIGHT than just to BE THIN.

I have had to change my entire lifestyle in order to get thin -- worth it? For me -- yes, definitely. But I don't expect everybody else to have the same opinions, priorities, judgments, or interests as me. It's not just about eating less and moving more -- it's about conscious choices made every single minute of the day. It's not easy. I CHOSE to qiut smoking. I CHOSE to exercise and eat healthy. And it wasn't a conscious choice, but the effect of this was that many of my relationships, friendships and entire sense of identity changed.

So when you say "if the McGee girls want to lose weight, why do they talk about not wanting to do anything about their weight?"

Big difference.

That's a lot to think about.

marla said...

Totally agree with your post, Jessifer. There's a big difference between wanting to lose weight and taking the next step of actually doing something about it. But I do get frustrated and bored when people go on and on about wanting to lose weight, but never take the next step.

Anonymous said...

I really think the McGees need to hire a trainer, from reading their blog. I mean, beg, borrow or steal, but hire a well-trained female trainer for 3 times a week, and just go to the sessions. Don't diet. Don't do anything else.


Re Biggest Loser, I thought of the McGees when the cute Jewish girl Poppi came out. That was mindblowing. She went from remarkably unattractive -- like, really ugly -- to extremely cute. It must be really strange for her. I mean, that fat blond girl Amy, or Kai, kind of had a look like they were "pretty but fat" when fat. But Poppi was butt ugly, and when she lost weight she looked really beautiful, like a little bit like a prettier version of Sarah Jessica.

Am I the only one who thought that Kai seemed to have gone INSANE before the taping? She didn't hug Caroline Rea, and was flipping out on stage.

Did yall know Marty left his wife, quit his teaching job, and is now dating Amy the blond? it was in national enquirer.

Anonymous said...

Did you know the scale at the weigh-ins isn't real either, per this link? They weigh them before hand on doc's scale, although they learn about the weight at the "weigh in." I always thought it was strange that they were dancing and carrying on up there, instead of remaining motionless.

http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?t=23029

Anonymous said...

anon 9:24 - I also thought that Kai had lost her mind, she was acting so weird ? She kept sticking her tongue out and holding her hand up like "rock on" ?? She went weird ?? You would think someone on national tv would act a little more serious?

bigfatblog said...

How lazy do you have to be to ask other people to help you get on a reality tv show without first making and sending in a videotape?

you two are always going to be fat. the rich jewish doctor fantasy ain't gonna happen, either.

Anonymous said...

Whoa. That was shockingly non-fat-acceptancey, especially coming from the BFB people.

another_troll said...

How lazy do you have to be to ask other people to help you get on a reality tv show without first making and sending in a videotape?

Has the world just turned upside down? BFB agrees with me!!!

That is exactly the point I was making upthread.

you two are always going to be fat. the rich jewish doctor fantasy ain't gonna happen, either.

I've never put it quite that bluntly, but yeah. That too.

Anonymous said...

I see a pattern here. First the McGees hope that the act of marrying will somehow make them thin, then they hope that their loyal readers will spirit them onto TBL, with absolutely no effort on their part.

Guess what Fatties? No-one on the face of the Earth can lose weight for you. You - and you alone - are the only person who controls what you put in your mouth. Wanting to lose weight ain't enough - you have to actually DO SOMETHING. Like putting the fork down and getting your ass on a treadmill.

But somehow, like BFB said, I don't think that's ever going to happen.

buffpuff said...

Crimminy, how gullible are you, 2.38, 2.49 and 3.19? Do you seriously think that anybody from BFB would berate fat people for being too lazy to get embroiled in some lowest common denominator reality-TV show about weight loss? Get a clue.

Anonymous said...

Crimminy, how gullible are you, 2.38, 2.49 and 3.19? Do you seriously think that anybody from BFB would berate fat people for being too lazy to get embroiled in some lowest common denominator reality-TV show about weight loss? Get a clue.

Can't a girl dream?

E said...

Eh, BFB is lame anyway.

Personally, I love you, McGees, and would love you whether you go on the TV or not, or lose weight or not. I love that you're utterly unsanctimonious about nearly everything, and what you're sanctimonious about, I am, too.

I refuse to punish you for your honesty. In fact, your honesty is another reason I love you so much. I totally understand the ambivalence of something like Biggest Loser, and I would need a slew of people to support me to go on the show, too. Likewise, I totally understand the ambivalence of actually, for real, going for it and losing weight on one's own, though everyone's ambivalence is, of course, their own.

There is a huge gap between knowing what to do, "wanting" to do it, and actually wanting-then-doing it. The best analogy I've seen so far is that telling anyone overweight to "Just eat less, exercise more" is like telling a smoker "Just stop smoking" or an alcoholic "Just stop drinking." All of these conditions are personal choices which, if only for health and financial reasons, most people want to change. With a lot of mitigating circumstances, yes--I know the FA folks will do the "Genes! Metabolism! PCOS!" thing, and I do think those have far greater effects than the trolls will allow. Ultimately, though, I also think that we can always make choices in our lives to change our weight, our smoking, our drinking, it just depends on how much we have to change, and how willing we are to change that much. Sometimes we're not, for whatever reason (including the popular accusation "lazy"), but I think most of the time we're not yet.

The thing is though, I can tell you from personal experience that one of the exact things that keeps a "not yet" from becoming a "now" is nagging. Like the trolls say, if the McGees really wanted to lose weight, they would. I say, if the trolls really wanted the McGees, or anyone for that matter, to lose weight, they would shut up.

That's all I've got.

another_troll said...

The thing is though, I can tell you from personal experience that one of the exact things that keeps a "not yet" from becoming a "now" is nagging. Like the trolls say, if the McGees really wanted to lose weight, they would. I say, if the trolls really wanted the McGees, or anyone for that matter, to lose weight, they would shut up.

Oh, so now it's my fault that the McGees are fat, due to my "nagging"? Sorry - I'm just pointing out some unpalatable truths.

Kristyl said...

so.. i went to the site and looked up casting calls and this is what i found:

THE BIGGEST LOSER IS NOW CASTING!!!

The Biggest Loser is back! Do you have what it takes to be the next Biggest Loser? We are now casting season four. If you are finally ready to shed the pounds once and for all with expert trainers and nutritionists, then you should apply!

How to Apply:
Step 1: MAKE A VIDEOTAPE (only VHS, DVD or mini DV will be accepted)
Step 2: MAIL THE TAPE TO US ASAP (please include a picture if possible).

What to include in your FIVE MINUTE videotape.
Show us why you should be on The Biggest Loser. Make your video as personal as possible. Start with your name and hometown. (For example, you can take us on a tour of your typical day.) Show us, don't just tell us, why you need to lose the weight. Finally, let us know why you are a great candidate for the show. Remember, we want to see your personality. Have fun and good luck!

Send your tape along with a completed application to:

THE BIGGEST LOSER CASTING
PO BOX 578
Manhattan Beach, CA 90267-0578

DOWNLOAD THE APPLICATION NOW.

Please be sure include a non-returnable photo of yourself. Any submissions that do not include an application will not be considered.


McGees you have two options.. do it yourself (YOU CAN DO IT!.. DO IT!.. DO IT!) or.. perhaps you could submit eachother.. DO IT.. DO IT! lol










the application btw is 10 pages long..

E said...

Eh, all right, I'm baited.

Your interpretation of my words is wrong and not logical from the content. I give the ultimate source of anyone losing weight as personal choice.

You taking my statement as me blaming you for anyone's fatness was a personal choice as well. Why was that your choice?

I admit, it seems that, from your past posts, you choose to focus only on the most polarizing portions of anyone's comments. I may have made a mistake in tone and bluntness by using the phrase "shut up," or the word "nagging," and, I now realize, baited you and your cohorts.


And while I graciously accept your apology, this is what dictionary.com has to say about "nag" and "nagging," respectively:
"to annoy by persistent faultfinding, complaints, or demands"
"to find fault or complain in an irritating, wearisome, or relentless manner"
Again, I fear this will bait you and your compatriots, but it seems to be fitting.

So, now that that's in order, I would like to edit my statement:

I can tell you from personal experience (which includes my own reactions, working with adolescents, and perusing research published by the American Psychological Association) that one of the many factors that prevent people from changing already present bad habits and/or addictions, such as smoking, nailbiting, drinking or overeating, is persistent, exclusively negative reinforcement. Persistent negative reinforcement alienates the people with the behavior and ingrains the behavior even more deeply. This is a common sense and oft-proven psychological reality with which nearly all humans are familiar. If trolls really wanted anyone to change anyone's habits, they would not use persistent negative reinforcement, and, assuming they're human, they know this already.

You might try to take apart "persistent negative reinforcement." You can see an easy definition for that under "nagging." Especially note the words "to annoy," "persistent," and "relentless" in the above definitions. It's very clear that, whether you call it "nagging" or "persistent negative reinforcement," the definition of what is negative comes from the receiving end. I'm sure it's clear to you from the reactions on this blog that your comments are perceived as negative.

So. You choose to persistently negatively attempt to enforce against a certain pre-existent behavior (or, with exercise, persistently negatively advocate for a new behavior), which, in actuality, only helps to ingrain that pre-existent behavior. Not only are you fighting a losing battle, but you're aiding a positive feedback loop.

I'm very curious--Why do you choose to do that?

Anonymous said...

I don't get you girls. Are you SO lazy (not to mention deluded) that you think NBC needs to contact YOU, not the other way around?

I got news for you. Fat bloggers are a dime a dozen.

what everrrr said...

dear another troll,

get a life already.

I bet most of the fatties on here have more of a life than you. Find yourself another cause in which you can actually MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Hating on fatties and making them feel guilty and bad is obviously GETTING YOU NOWHERE.

Boy you're one bitter bitch. Geesh!

Krispy_Kreme said...

I don't get you girls. Are you SO lazy (not to mention deluded) that you think NBC needs to contact YOU, not the other way around?

I got news for you. Fat bloggers are a dime a dozen.


Word.

Tim said...

Why not just ignore the trollers? If you don't reply to their stupid insults and lame comments they'll go away, or post less. From now on don't reply!!

buffpuff said...

E, though I may not entirely agree with some of your views, I would like to take this opportunity to virtually shake you by the hand and tell you just how much you rock.

Anonymous said...

You guys should apply for the show; it would basically solve all your problems. You'd get thin, and be just famous enough that guys would want to date you, plus you could go back to all your ex-boyfriends and make them feel just terrible. Your lives would be perfect then, right?

Anonymous said...

If you can't find happiness while you're fat, you won't be able to find it while you're thin, either.

E said...

Buffpuff--

Heh, thanks! Although I think what everrrr said it more succinctly:

Find yourself another cause in which you can actually MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Hating on fatties and making them feel guilty and bad is obviously GETTING YOU NOWHERE.

Heehee! Too true.

Anonymous said...

Hmm... no-one has posted anything for hours. At least the trolls, irritating though they were, gave people something to complain about.

Anonymous said...

Wow, so now trolls are using the names of fat acceptance sites! Clever, but stupid.

Fatty McBlog folks, and readers: the above comment attributed to "bigfatblog" did not come from me or anyone affiliated with the site. While I don't have a Blogger identity, I always sign my comments.

- Paul

Anonymous said...

Yo, I thought Poppi was Greek, and maybe not Jewish?

Also, I found her about the same in terms of attractiveness about the face, when she was fat, as when she was thin.

bigfatblog.com said...

shut the fuck up, paul. you have no credibility.

you've built a site based around the delusion that there is no link between weight and health and the presumption that all your members, no matter how poorly educated, know more than the medical community.

there is not one doctor participating in your site. the best you have is buffpuff, an old, failed, fat writer.

krispy_kreme said...

shut the fuck up, paul. you have no credibility.

you've built a site based around the delusion that there is no link between weight and health and the presumption that all your members, no matter how poorly educated, know more than the medical community.

there is not one doctor participating in your site. the best you have is buffpuff, an old, failed, fat writer.


Hee-hee! I couldn't have put it better myself!

But you must admit, BFB does provide great entertainment value. All those fatties railing about how diets are the devil - it's hysterical!

Anonymous said...

I have no problem with fat acceptance, really. But when they only agree with studies that support THEIR beliefs, and accuse every other study of a)being funded by diet companies, b)being misinterpreted by biased doctors, c)not having a large enough sample size, you know something is wrong.

Sure a lot of studies that say being overweight is awful are bullshit. But to seriously try to espouse the belief that there is NO correlation and NO negative effects of being grossly overweight is just stupidity.

It will never be accepted by mainstream society because it is wrong. Let's leave out diabetes and cancer because they'll never agree the risks for these increase as you get fatter. But things like sleep apnea, joint problems, and an increased strain on your heart have been proven risks of obesity.

I'm not going to assume there's a huge conspiracy from the medical community just because some pathetic middle aged women decide they want to be considered as sexy as people who don't have pannuses.

Anonymous said...

Correlation does not equal causation. Just like cigarettes have never been proven to cause cancer, being extremely "overweight" has never been proven to casue any of the above diseases.

-Paul

krispy_kreme said...

Correlation does not equal causation. Just like cigarettes have never been proven to cause cancer, being extremely "overweight" has never been proven to casue any of the above diseases.

That is most spurious argument I have EVER read. Next the Big Fat Blogger himself will be telling us that the earth "has never been proven" to be round.

Cigarettes cause cancer. Obesity causes sleep apnea, joint problems, and an increased strain on your heart. Paul is a fat onanist. Period.

Oh - and Buffpuff is an "an old, failed, fat writer." Thanks for pointing out another self-evident truth, 4.08 pm

sharon said...

Paul - why did you put "overweight" in quotes? Don't you recognise that some people ARE overweight? Or does using that term imply that people have an "ideal" weight range, and so you refuse to accept the concept? I guess that's another anti-fat conspiracy on the part of the medical establishment?

Anonymous said...

I put the term overweight in quotes because who gets to decide who is "overweight" and who is of a normal weight? A bigoted, fat-hating diet industry.

-Paul

sharon said...

I see. So would you classify, say, a woman who is 5'3" and 250 pounds as "overweight"?

Anonymous said...

I'd call that bitch huge.

sharon said...

I'd call that bitch huge.

According to the medical fraternity, she'd be well into the "morbidly obese" category, but I wanted to hear Paul's take on such a person. (It's not me, BTW.)

Anonymous said...

I don't put much credence into what the medical establishment says. A lot of the "studies" are funded by diet industries and therefore invalid. Even though I don't have a medical degree, I don't believe you need to have one to have a complete understanding of the human body. Sure, doctors may spend 4 years in medical school and at least 3 in a residency, but they are also so blinded by fat hatred that whatever they say about obesity isn't backed up by their knowledge, but by their biases.

-Paul

cherree said...

Even though I don't have a medical degree, I don't believe you need to have one to have a complete understanding of the human body.
So you don't have any "credentials", but you're a Ph. D. in "knowledge of the body". Hmmm, sounds familiar.

Lynn said...

I am a medical researcher who has studied obesity for over a decade, and know from experience that medical research is a field where ethics are strictly enforced.

It seems that people are have formed opinions and then looked for facts they can twist to back them up. If you truly care enough about this, take the time to actually read the complete studies that you malign, instead of editorialized summaries, and make sure they are from a reputable medical journal.

Even if you ignore obesity as a contributing factor to other diseases, obesity greatly increases mortality rates if you have any surgery. This is not because the "fat hating" doctors care any less about obese patients. Fat is slippery, fat does not heal as quickly as other tissue, obese patients require deeper incisions to get to any internal organs. Surgeons are hesitant to cut into an obese patient, knowing that their instruments will get increasingly slippery due to the fat and the amount of cutting that is required. Surgery that could increase quality of life is not offered as often to obese patients because of these factors and others that increase mortality rates.

Obesity is both a social and medical issue, but please do not allow your feelings on the social issues to obscure your ability to make informed medical decisions about your own body.

sharon said...

Excellent post Lynn - it's great to have someone here who actually knows what they're talking about. [Applauds wildly]

Anonymous said...

I don't care what you say. I have read enough books and online sources to be able to come to the conclusion that being fat has nothing to do with health.
I am fat and healthy, and so are a lot of people I know. Besides, thin people can be unhealthy, too! That means that being "overweight" has no effect on a higher risk for many diseases. It is also unclear whether fat is a symptom of many diseases, or the cause of them.

-Paul

sharon said...

I have read enough books and online sources to be able to come to the conclusion that being fat has nothing to do with health.

But how do you know that those books and online sources aren't as biased as the studies "funded by diet industries" and the doctors who are "blinded by fat hatred"?

Besides, thin people can be unhealthy, too! That means that being "overweight" has no effect on a higher risk for many diseases.

That's a false argument. The fact that thin people can be unhealthy does not automatically invalidate medical research which indicates that the overweight and obese ARE at a higher risk.

You're playing a dangerous game, Paul. People listen to you, yet you have no credibilty whatsover. Saying something over and over does not make it true. You're the blind leading the blind.

Anonymous said...

Look, all I'm saying is that there is no evidence whatsoever that being overweight puts you at an increased risk for any disease or condition. Buffpuff agrees with me.

-Paul

Anonymous said...

Yawn, Paul.

buffpuff said...

Actually, Sharon, I'm not quite as rigid in my beliefs as Paul, though I do believe that if someone eats well and lives an active life they will probably be fit and healthy whether they are fat or not. In common with Paul, I also favour the simple descriptor “fat” over the euphemistic “overweight” and the quasi-medical “obese”. (My dictionary defines the latter as “grossly fat or overweight”. Regardless of how much of a health risk a health professional may consider this to be, in itself it is neither a medical term nor a disease, though it could, as Paul points out, be indicative of one). Both words are highly subjective and frequently used pejoratively.

I do actually believe that fat can contribute to or aggravate certain medical conditions. What I don't believe is that those conditions are necessarily – or automatically – a given, or that they are exclusively confined to fat people. I believe that is one of the areas in which genetics come into play; for instance, if certain illnesses are strongly prevalent on either or both sides of a family or where and how an individual might store fat – this, incidentally, includes the outwardly slim body type that stores large deposits of fat around vital organs. However I also believe that health is a complex issue that has as much to do with what goes on between one’s ears as in the rest of the body. Fat, as you point out, is a social issue and I’m sure you will agree that being hectored, vilified, demonised and ridiculed by society at large is likely to have a detrimental effect on overall health. It’s also my personal experience that dieting severely affected my mental health and that choosing not to actively pursue weight loss has benefited my overall health. I cannot and do not make this claim for everybody.

Lastly, in accusing Paul of irresponsibility you also insult my intelligence. BFB is a diverse community including, among others, a fair quota of doctors, nutritionists, scientists and statisticians – and I can assure you that even us lesser mortals are quite capable of thinking, reading, disseminating and discussing a wide variety of information in an intelligent fashion. Debate is frequent and lively and I suspect the only reason it comes in for so much criticism is because trolls can’t shoot their mouths off on the forums.

cherree said...

Besides, thin people can be unhealthy, too! That means that being "overweight" has no effect on a higher risk for many diseases.

Wow, Paul, take a logic course!
a implies b or a and b
is not equivalent to
not a does not imply b

Inverarity said...

doctors, nutritionists, scientists and statisticians

Really? I have yet to see any such posting on BFB. I'm sure there are probably some members who have a degree in some hard science, but medical doctors? Someone with a degree in nutrition? Even a statistician?

Most of the "debunking" the BFBers engage in is extremely spurious, setting up straw men or false comparisons. One favorite seems to be the binary choice between being fat and being anorexic (e.g. "Studies showing that obesity is unhealthy are obviously wrong because thin people can be unhealthy too and anorexia and bulemia dangerous!") I have yet to see a rigorous approach taken to try to prove their self-serving points. There are some other blogs that do this quite well (such as Junk Food Science), but for the most part, the logic and honesty displayed on BFB is not impressive. Like creationists, they have their comforting belief which they will bend or ignore any scientific evidence to adhere to.

I can't believe Paul actually used the cigarettes-don't-cause-cancer argument. It's true this is not "proven," inasmuch as no scientific theory is ever "proven." (That's why they are called theories.) We have not, and cannot, prove evolution, gravity, or electromagnetism. We do however have working models that fit observable data far better than any alternatives. The same is true with the theory that being fat causes health problems.

No, not every fat person gets diabetes or cancer or sleep apnea or heart disease. Yes, there are certain health benefits to being overweight as opposed to severely underweight (you'll notice the BFBers always omit that part -- they trumpet any study that shows that being fat is better than being thin, and ignore the fact that these studies generally show that it's better to be fat (i.e., overnourished) than emaciated (i.e., undernourished). No big surprise. It's that binary choice again -- "The only alternative to being fat is starving yourself until you're underweight."

Dieting may be bad for your mental health, Buffpuff, but given the issues you display often on this and other boards, it's clear that being fat isn't making you much happier.

buffpuff said...

FYI, krispy_kreme and bigfatimposter.com, I've just submitted a detailed synopsis to the publisher who approached me, (yes - that's right - they approached me on account of my specialist knowledge and experience), to write a 30,000 word, non-fiction book. I had a meeting with the editor last month and she seemed confident it will be proceeding to contract and shortly at that. I'm rather hoping my first full-length foray into non-fic might lead to my fiction finding a publisher too, since that's ultimately what I'd like to be doing. But either way you may kiss my arse, which is indeed, and as you so rightly observe, fat.

Oh - and Inverarity - do stop blathering on about creationists and trying to bait me.

E said...

Hmm... no-one has posted anything for hours. At least the trolls, irritating though they were, gave people something to complain about.

Oi. Anonymous at 3:01am, it seems you got your wish...

How about this?

"Fat acceptance for everyone!"
"Booo!"
"Very well, fat acceptance for no one!"
"Booo!"
"Hmmmm...fat acceptance for some, miniature American flags for others!"
"Yay!" *waving flags*

Mmmmmm...tasty discourse. Although, this wouldn't work either, because of the number of folks from across the pond and maybe even Up Nort. Ah, well. I'm outtie.

Lynn said...

Buffpuff-

I completely agree that overall health is greatly affected by mental health. And you could quite possibly be right, that the mental part of dieting for you was so great that it outweighed any possible physical health benefits.

I do know, however, that most causes of obesity have more to do with nurture than nature. I dislike people who think their slimness is a moral, physical, or mental triumph. For most of people, weight is a product of the views they value in society, their upbringing, and where they live (to name a few of the obvious ones). It is seldom a conscious choice, and definitely not an indication of character.

I know about obesity both intellectually, and personally, as a component of my own past. Personally, the idea that a medical issue can be co-opted by non obese people as a way to work out their own issues of identity and discrimination is abhorrent. But intellectually I know that there is no current way of knowing how big of a risk obesity will be for an individual combined with their medical history. And I worry about people taking that chance. I also know that genetics is not as powerful a force as some people think. I think for anyone, the idea that our genetic material is the determining factor for any aspect of our lives would be troubling. And except for the most extreme cases is an idea that is completely false.

I understand your dislike of the word obesity, as oddly and imprecisely as it is invoked by most people. But please don't look at a general dictionary for the meaning of words that have origins in the sciences. I'm reminded of a college professor who said when looking for the meaning of words, you should go to a source that knows what it's talking about, and that's seldom the dictionary. I'm sure as a writer you're more conscious than most of the power of words.

Congrats on the book deal, intelligent scrutiny of these issues can be nothing but helpful, especially with so much information being published that is nothing more than conjecture and shoddy journalism. Best of luck on your research and finding a publisher.

sharon said...

Look, all I'm saying is that there is no evidence whatsoever that being overweight puts you at an increased risk for any disease or condition. Buffpuff agrees with me.

-Paul


Paul - I must say that this discussion has been eye-opening for me. I would have assumed that someone of your standing in the FA community would be able to back up their arguments far better than you have.

Of course Buffpuff agrees with you - as a fat person herself, she has a vested interest in believing that being overweight doesn't affect her health. She's hardly an authority in anything - apart from being fat, that is.

krispy_kreme said...

Dieting may be bad for your mental health, Buffpuff, but given the issues you display often on this and other boards, it's clear that being fat isn't making you much happier.

Ditto to that.

krispy_kreme said...

FYI, krispy_kreme and bigfatimposter.com, I've just submitted a detailed synopsis to the publisher who approached me, (yes - that's right - they approached me on account of my specialist knowledge and experience), to write a 30,000 word, non-fiction book.

I hope your book attracts more readers than your blog.

...you may kiss my arse, which is indeed, and as you so rightly observe, fat.

Um, no thanks.

poppy said...

I have tried to contribute to Buffpuff's blog, but it only accepts other bloggers. I'd be interested in reading her book though - er, what's it about??

krispy_kreme said...

I'd be interested in reading her book though - er, what's it about??

I'm guessing it's about the joys of being fat. And how being fat doesn't contribute to health risks. And I bet she quotes Paul a lot.

Anonymous said...

It's interesting that you trolls are slamming buffpuff for not being happy, because it's pretty clear that being thin or fit or healthy or whatever you people think you are that makes you superior to those of that aren't whatever it is you're so proud of being, hasn't made you any happier or joyful, or more pleasant to be around. From what I can tell you're a bunch of noxious, no-souled, bloody-minded gits, and I think that explains why you're hanging around a blog that really has nothing to do with you, getting your kicks at throwing foul little bundles of verbal excrement at those of us that aren't singleminded little toads like yourselves.

trollydolly said...

is anonymous 12.26 buffpuff in disguise?

Anonymous said...

And it was buffpuff who brought asses into the discussion

Anonymous said...

I don't think that there are any doctors at BFB, but again, this isn't about medical science, which is just a cesspool of antifat bigotry. Neither Buffpuff nor I trust any doctors or anything they have to say. I am fat and healthy, and I know several people who are fat and healthy, and I know several people who are thin and healthy. This observation is repeated several times at BFB, which means that there is no link between being overweight and an increased risk for disease. I am surprised that Buffpuff would admit as much given that there is no proof.

In a recent study posted in our forusm, suggesting a trend that those who choose to be vegetarion have a higher average IQ, the BFBers responded that: a)the study was crap (no indication why, but I'm sure it's because the scientists are antifat), b)Buffpuff responded that because she has a high IQ but is a pescatarian, the results are invalid, c)Another noted another personal experience to discredit the study, d)and another cited that in Hollywood, there are a lot of thin, vegetarians who also smoke.

This is the kind of criticism we appreciate at BFB. It's not about having a medical degree or knowing how to pick apart statistics. It's about knowing how to insult the results of a study not based on its merits, but on one's personal experience.

Buffpuff knows that because she is extremely bright (and has been since a young age) and is not a vegetarian, that the results couldn't possibly true. And even though people who are richer tend to have higher IQs, and vegetarians tend to be richer in this country, none of those considerations made it into the discussion. What it boils down to is that the study is insulting fat people, and saying that they are all stupid.

-Paul

Anonymous said...

Cute, posting anonymous comments with my signed name.

I give the anti-fat trolls credit: they've got a sense of humor... but not much intelligence.

Anyway, Sharon, I haven't participated in this discussion since my first signed post. The rest are all trolls, and are part of the reason I linked up my Google account with a Blogger identity.

- Paul

krispy_kreme said...

I'd like to add that I am an idiot.

inverarity said...

And I have nothing better to do all day than post anonymously. Also, you all suck.

Anonymous said...

Not much intelligence...

...But enough so that Buffpuff believed it!

Isn't it funny that a silly satire of your views passed off to one of your own as your actual views?

HAHAHAAHHAHAAHAHAAHAH!!!!

Yeah, and you totally don't have a single doctor at BFB!

Krispy_Kreme said...

is anonymous 12.26 buffpuff in disguise?

Yep. The British term "git" is a dead giveaway.

KK

Anonymous said...

And buffpuff, I'm sure we'll be seeing your books on the bestseller list.

*snort*

Anonymous said...

buffpuff, you're a hypocrite and a loser...

attacking people for using anonymous names, then doing it yourself because you can't stand up for yourself?

yeah, i know you technically weigh as much as two people, but that doesn't mean you can take on two identities and think no one will notice!

haha

Anonymous said...

ZZZZOOMG YOU BEEN PUNKCED SON!!!

GIT!!! ROFLMAOLOLBBQ

Anonymous said...

I wonder what violently anti-fat site has linked FattyMcBlog this time? Maybe Tucker Max has returned?

I agree with Fat Acceptance. That said, I do not work towards making people believe that being fat can be healthy. I work towards stopping fat hatred; being fat does not negate the fact that you're HUMAN, just like any thin people. You deserve to go throughout your life in peace with whatever decision you made, even if some "healthist" asshole doesn't like it.

And why the fuck should we care if fat is healthy or not? Why should we care if being thin is healthy or not? We all die anyway.

krispy_kreme said...

I'm so glad that I've finally found a community of people with whom I can identify. I'm a troll. A snert, in fact. And I love it. Hey, anonymous friends! I'm so glad we have this electronic network to add excitement and activity to our lives. What else could we possibly do were it not for being vastly (pun intended!) superior to all of the fatties? God, I feel better about myself now...don't you?

KK

krispy_kreme said...

Note my funny, self-referential name too - get it? Like a donut? Because fat people eat donuts all the time! I read that on BFB! HAHAHALOL

Anonymous said...

Hilarious. Off yourself.

krispy_kreme said...

It appears I'm tasting my own medicine. But this is the real me, I swear.

Now, back to our extremely high level of discourse in which I go after other people with my rudimentary knowledge of the universe. Oh, what a joy it will be!

KK

inverarity said...

Um...yeah. Great impersonation job, very subtle.

Can't you see that we're just trying to help? We want you all to see the light! The diet light! It's a thin and beautiful light. That's why we'm here, don't you understand? We want to spread the skinny light to everyone!

Fatties, you should know that I, at least, deeply, deeply care about you. I care so much about every aspect of your life that I'm here, every day, just to help YOU. That's right--the inordinate amount of time I spend here has nothing at all to do with me or my savior/martyr/superiority complex, I'm only here for YOU. Help me help you! Help me, to help YOU.

inverarity said...

Also, I believe I won the contest. I am the Biggest Loser.

Anonymous said...

You got that right.

Anonymous said...

You, sir, are a moron.

tootsie_roll said...

Not much intelligence...

...But enough so that Buffpuff believed it!

Isn't it funny that a silly satire of your views passed off to one of your own as your actual views?


Bwah-ha-ha!

What I want to know is - assuming that Puffy's book gets published, that is - will she lose weight for the publicity pictures?

My other question is - given her anonymously-posted scatalogical rant above - how will she cope when the media and reviewers at Amazon say she's fat?

tootsie_roll said...

buffpuff, you're a hypocrite and a loser...

attacking people for using anonymous names, then doing it yourself because you can't stand up for yourself?

yeah, i know you technically weigh as much as two people, but that doesn't mean you can take on two identities and think no one will notice!


Bwah-ha-ha!

Anonymous said...

YHBTHAND

muffin_top said...

And why the fuck should we care if fat is healthy or not? Why should we care if being thin is healthy or not? We all die anyway.

Some of us will die sooner than others.

Pop_tart said...

FYI, krispy_kreme and bigfatimposter.com, I've just submitted a detailed synopsis to the publisher who approached me, (yes - that's right - they approached me on account of my specialist knowledge and experience), to write a 30,000 word, non-fiction book.

Speaking purely for myself, I'd be insulted if I were approached on on account of my "specialist knowledge and experience" of being fat.

Paul (BFB) said...

The rest are all trolls, and are part of the reason I linked up my Google account with a Blogger identity.

Yep, I'm really smart like that.

Anonymous said...

I find it amazing that Paul is equating smoking and obesity as two factors that are not proven to cause disease.

If you really believe that there is no causal connection between smoking and cancer, can you expect anyone to take your opinion seriously as far as obesity goes?

I have a degree in math and can hold my own in a statistics discussion, but you are confusing what statistics is supposed to do for you. It's just a tool, not the fount of all wisdom. Statistics cannot prove that chopping the head off a rabbit will cause it to die, but I think most people can accept a causal connection there. If you do not have at least an undergraduate degree in math/engineering, please don't try using statistics as a tool of discovery. You will have about as much luck as someone off the street successfully operating an MRI machine and making a correct diagnosis from the output.

All of this is very interesting because the pro-smoking groups mirror the rhetoric of the pro-fat groups to a frightening degree:

(1) Smoking has not been proven to cause cancer since statistics cannot prove causal correlation. Obesity has not been proven to cause diabetes since statistics cannot prove causal correlation.

(2) Existence of confounders - smoking does not hurt you, it's the additives in the cigarettes. Obesity does not hurt you, it's the lack of exercise (which is intrinsically difficult for someone who is obese). Incidentally, one of my close friends has smoked "Native American" cigarettes for years in a sincere belief that they are completely healthy. She got diagnosed with emphysema in February, now she's not all that sure.

(3) Complete lack of basic logic. Non smokers get lung cancer, therefore smoking cannot cause lung cancer. Thin people get diabetes, therefore obesity cannot cause diabetes.

(4) Medical malice. Doctors are against smokers and provide a lesser standard of care. Doctors are against the obese and provide a lesser standard of care.

(5) Complete disjointedness from ANY reputable medical authority. The number of credible doctors who believe obesity does not contribute to disease is about the same number that believe a couple of packs a day won't hurt anything.

Also, Lynn is 100% accurate about surgery on the obese. I worked in a hospital for quite a few years, surgeons will not touch someone who is obese unless they have to because the surgery is fantastically difficult. Also, general anesthesia on someone who is morbidly obese is pretty much a white knuckle ride for the anesthesiologist.

And lastly, not using the term "overweight" because you can't figure out over which weight - this should only happen if you are profoundly illiterate in math. If you are four sigmas removed from the mean of the bell curve, it's pretty safe to say that you're "over" weight. Do you refuse to use the terms "tall" and "short" because you can't figure out what the correct height for someone is?

Anonymous said...

Speaking purely for myself, I'd be insulted if I were approached on on account of my "specialist knowledge and experience" of being fat.

You're making rash and unfounded assumptions. Your conclusion the book has something to do with fat is at least as likely to be wrong as right. If she was approached because of her expertise, it's more likely having to do with her profession than her body type, don't you think? (Occam's razor and all that rot, dontcha know.)

As for the use of the word "git," it's a common slang word in the UK. Surely you don't think that BuffPuff is the only resident of the entire nation who has internet access? "Wanker," is another common British slang word and descibes you lot perfectly.

buffpuff said...

Hmm, I had planned on posting an intelligent response to Lynn's last post, but that would seem largely redundant in view of the pig's ear the troll contingent have made of this thread in the interim. So instead I'll just say this:-

No, I am not the anonymous poster at 12.26, nor have I patented the word "git".

Secondly, given that my professional field of expertise is in art and design, the chances of any of you wags reading my book are, I should imagine, remote. Though I believe it will be available on both sides of the pond, should you feel the urge.

I'd like to say it's been real but, well, given the circumstances...

Krispy_kreme said...

No, I am not the anonymous poster at 12.26, nor have I patented the word "git".

I still don't believe it wasn't you, Puffy. The anger and scatalogical references sure sound like your style.

Anonymous said...

hmmmm
another suspicious anon post at 3:57 followed by a buffpuff post at 4:00

we know it's you, fatass. you're not that bright. we shall see how your book does.

Anonymous said...

"bloody-minded" is also a word more often used in the UK. and there aren't that many regular British posters here. Kate has been absent. heart attack probably.

krispy_kreme said...

"bloody-minded" is also a word more often used in the UK.

Good point!

Kate has been absent. heart attack probably.

That would be all the buttered popcorn - see her recent post at BFB - although I believe Kate is American.

pop_tart said...

You're making rash and unfounded assumptions. Your conclusion the book has something to do with fat is at least as likely to be wrong as right. If she was approached because of her expertise, it's more likely having to do with her profession than her body type, don't you think? (Occam's razor and all that rot, dontcha know.)

Sorry. I thought being a big fat wanker WAS your profession, Puffy.

Anonymous said...

Hello, I'm fake Paul.

I find it SO hilarious that even Buffpuff couldn't tell that the quackery "Paul" was saying was fake.

I purposely made it over the top, making utterly asinine statements about medical research etc and she couldn't even tell the difference!! This will always crack me up as it destroys both her and Paul's credibility.

It really shows that the BFBers truly don't have a clue.

And yeah, I've been over there, and the way they respond to studies they don't agree with is totally ridiculous.

Actually, I think BFB is not all bad. The way fat women are treated in this country is despicable. I did the whole fake Paul thing to show that countering bias with bias is just as stupid. Just because you are discriminated against doesn't mean you can challenge every suggestion that fat can cause unhealthiness with some really strange reasons.

Buffpuff, I'd love for you to encourage people to critique studies based on something other than funding (admittedly this will cause a bias, but it won't in every case discredit the findings) and personal bias.

krispy_kreme said...

Hello, I'm fake Paul.

I find it SO hilarious that even Buffpuff couldn't tell that the quackery "Paul" was saying was fake.

I purposely made it over the top, making utterly asinine statements about medical research etc and she couldn't even tell the difference!! This will always crack me up as it destroys both her and Paul's credibility.

It really shows that the BFBers truly don't have a clue.


You are a genius. To borrow a phrase from Puffy, I'd like to give you a virtual handshake.

Anonymous said...

Buffpuff just enjoys flame wars. It's her hobby.

You might wonder why she trolls the site of two obese girls who desperately want to not be obese, yelling at people who don't want to be obese, but that would involve logic.

cherree said...

Surely you don't think that BuffPuff is the only resident of the entire nation who has internet access?

buffpuff, if you go to the bottom of this page, there is a button called "site meter"
If you click on it and then click on "Recent visitors-by location", you will notice that there were 3 visitors from the UK on the site in the past 3 or so hours. One had a visit length of 1 second, the other was from Edinburgh, and the third visited twice, for more than 1 hour total (same IP address twice). Odd...
Or maybe you know how to connect through a proxy?

Anonymous said...

"This will always crack me up as it destroys both her and Paul's credibility."

Not really. My credibility remains intact; the only things in question now are how many people believe anonymous comments, and how the blog's authors handle them.

krispy_kreme said...

buffpuff, if you go to the bottom of this page, there is a button called "site meter"
If you click on it and then click on "Recent visitors-by location", you will notice that there were 3 visitors from the UK on the site in the past 3 or so hours. One had a visit length of 1 second, the other was from Edinburgh, and the third visited twice, for more than 1 hour total (same IP address twice). Odd...


Cheree - you are a genuis.

Anonymous said...

Surely you don't think that BuffPuff is the only resident of the entire nation who has internet access?

BuffPuff didn't write that, I did. I live in the US.

muffin_top said...

BuffPuff didn't write that, I did. I live in the US.

And I'm the Queen of Sheba.

Really.

Anonymous said...

"how many people believe anonymous comments"

apparently people from your own site, who can't tell your comments apart from an outrageously bad impersonation.

of course the trolls would believe it; they don't read BFB. but the fact that buffpuff didn't catch on soooner is quite telling.

cherree said...

My credibility remains intact;

0-0=0

krispy_kreme said...

the fact that buffpuff didn't catch on soooner is quite telling.

Quite so.

My credibility remains intact;

0-0=0


I've been waiting for someone to pick that one up, but it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?

Anonymous said...

I've been waiting for someone to pick that one up, but it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?

Said the anonymous coward online. Sure, you've got shitloads of credibility.

krispy_kreme said...

But wait! I've got a lot of credibility! That's why I signed my name!

KK

Anonymous said...

OMG LOL PUNCKED!!!!! WTFOMGBBQ

krispy_kreme said...

Sigh.

Eridani said...

Does anyone know of any blogs similar to Fatty McBlog? I tried reading BFB but I respectfully disagree with their opinions that being fat can be healthy, or that its impossible for some people to lose weight. So...reading it gives me a bit of a headache. Sorry! I don't mean to offend anyone.

I was just wondering if there were anymore humorous blogs out there that ride the fence between acceptance and wanting to lose weight? Thanks!

what's REALLY going on with the McGees ????? said...

I've been a frequent reader of this blog for a while, finding it funny, touching and interesting. But lately I haven't check it much because of the attn whores, looser trolls that are annoying and repulsive, having nothing better to do than state to online strangers what they wouldn't dare to say to strangers on the street.

I've also grown a bit tired of the fatty girls, not of them exactly, I should say, but of their obsessiveness and then their whining and their pessimism towards their goals. I don't believe in diets, I believe that fat can indeed equal healthy, I also believe that one should do with one's body what one wants. But with the fatties...yeah, it's come to a point where I've said: Enough.

And it came today, upon seeing the amount of disrespect some of their brightest fans endured - upon seeing how the McGees have allowed trolls and regular a*holes to leave their crap all over the comments section.

Shame on you McGees. Shame on you for disrespecting your readers this way, for allowing pathetic nothing-better-going-on-in-their-life trolls to poop all the place, for allowing disrespect of this nature.

Your credibility has seriously been dwindling with every whine and moan after your binges. Your credibility I think took a serious toll after you allowed pathetic posters to run away with the comments section.

Good job.

You've lost one more of your faithful readers, but are left with about 10 new trolls. Your logic and loyalty is as good as your diets.

Anonymous said...

I'm not going into the healthy/unhealthy fat flame wars. But I am curious why the Fatty McGees can't do their own video or have someone around them to help them. They're in NYC and LA (right?) and someone there would probably love to help videotape them for TBL.

I do agree that there are some foods that are addictive (whether it's physiological or psychological is another story). I mean, put cheese around me, and it's gone. And for some people, something drastic like WLS or being sent in the desert for 3 months a la TBL is what it's going to take to shake them up.

BUT even with WLS, being on TBL, or doing your own weight loss program alone (aka diets and exercise), it still comes down to handling food in some way so you don't regain it. So at some point, yuo do have to develop some guts and figure out how to cope and deal with food and exercise (or activities) to keep you healthy.

I have struggled with food all my life and it's only lately that I really truly understand that I am going to have to keep moving and do something like the gym or walking AND watch what I eat. Do I like it? No, but I have eaten whatever I liked in the past and I know the results are. Obesity. I still have another 100 pounds to lose (I've lost 80) and I don't know if I'll get there. But I know where I'm at is far better than where I was.

Some people (probably me included) are always going to be overweight by BMI or life insurance standards. But it's still better than carrying around an extra 80-100 pounds.

So if the Fatty McGees want to lose weight, they probably have people in their area who would videotape them and submit it for them. But they still have to go and still have to keep at it. It's not ever going to be "BAM! You're thin -- go and eat like you used to, my child."

If you accept that, you can start right now in taking care of yourself.

Anonymous said...

John Smith from high school? John Smith from high school? Who gives a shit about John fucking Smith from high school, or anyone else for that matter? It's your life, you're talking about! If you want to basically be put in a position where you must lose weight, and become an inspiration to others, go for it. Otherwise, stop the moaning.

poppy said...

30000 words is quite a short book. Will there be illustrations?

Why do some people seem to have a problem with anonymous posting? How does making up a name confer credibility?

Anonymous said...

I've also grown a bit tired of the fatty girls, not of them exactly, I should say, but of their obsessiveness and then their whining and their pessimism towards their goals [...] Your credibility has seriously been dwindling with every whine and moan after your binges.

Totally true. The McGees stymie themselves at every turn. They write:

I also want to be pushed like that. I want to have nothing to do all day except train and count calories. I would love to focus 100% of my energy into changing my life.

Sounds good.. but there's always an escape clause..

BUT it's not practical for us at the moment life and job wise. And, well, there's that whole part about being on National TV.

A while ago one of the Fatties wrote about Weight Watchers. It all sounded very promising until she added:

... EVEN IF I gain 4 lbs that week because cheeseburgers are just that good.

With that attitude, the McGees will never lose weight because they just don't want to put the effort in. But if anyone dares point that out, some do-gooder will come along and accuse them of:

choosing to persistently negatively attempt to enforce against a certain pre-existent behavior (or, with exercise, persistently negatively advocate for a new behavior), which, in actuality, only helps to ingrain that pre-existent behavior.

Why should I care if the McGees lose weight or not? They obviously don't.

krispy_kreme said...

Why do some people seem to have a problem with anonymous posting? How does making up a name confer credibility?

It doesn't. Particularly when some idiot comes along and posts under your name.

E said...

Anonymous at 10:16:

Why should I care if the McGees lose weight or not? They obviously don't.

As another_troll's before, your interpretation of my words is backwards. In your case, you illustrated the point of my post beautifully. And I'm still very, very curious about my question, especially in your case.

I'm sure you, and all you other trolls, don't care about answering my question, and therefore, don't respond. This makes a lot of sense, good job on being consistent. But all of you do respond to a whole mess of other things you claim are not worth caring about or, at the very least, incredibly below you. This doesn't make sense, and is inconsistent. You choose to spend so much time on something that you yourself claim you don't care about. If you don't care, 10:16, then why do you choose to take the time to read their blog, the time to make negative posts, the time to read do-gooder responses, and the time to reply to do-gooder responses?

leebee said...

I have been a silent reader of the blog for a while. And I have found it funny, sweet, and interesting. To those who are making fun of people who are larger than you or saying that they're too lazy, I have more than enough to say to you.
But I'm not even going to add to the fighting in this forum. All I'm going to say is that you girls are awesome:) Keep up the great work and don't let the trolls get you down.

buffpuff said...

30000 words is quite a short book. Will there be illustrations?

Yes, Poppy, it will; loads. It's primarily a reference/textbook, and will involve a ton of research and interviews - though it won't have a dry, academic tone. The publisher's quite a hip one and anxious to avoid that kind of thing.

poppy said...

Thanks, buffpuff: I wish you had a more accessible blog.

Back to thread: I read the McGees because they are funny and honest and unpreachy, and sometimes I actually want to know what other people have to deal with even if I don't share the same problems. If thinking that Lindsey and Emily sometimes make life unnecessarily difficult for themselves makes me a troll, then, er, fol-de-rol.

buffpuff said...

's'easy, Poppy, just sign up for a (freeee) blogger account and my blog's your oyster. Believe me, no one on the face of the planet is more rubbish with computer-related things than me. If I can do it, a lobotomized troglodyte is capable of opening up an account.

Go on, you know you want to...

Anonymous said...

And I'm still very, very curious about my question, especially in your case.

OK, e, I'll bite. I say these things because I'm a horrible, bitter, twisted bitch and not a wonderful, loving, caring person like you.

Happy now?

E said...

2:56:

I appreciate any response, since (from what I've seen) no troll has ever answered the "why" question on this blog.

As for "happy"--I'm interested in satisfying my curiosity, which your response did not. What you said, though it may have a whiff of honesty, is more akin to how angry fatties respond to trolls than how I would expect a troll to respond to a fatty.

Sarcasm aside, if you're actually claiming to be a bitch, are you one of those people who's a bitch and proud of it? Then it would make sense to me why you're here. Horrid would make sense too, so, are you horrid and proud of it? I ask the "proud" bit because most people try to avoid being horrid bitches, though some don't and pride themselve on it.

If you're actually bitter and twisted, that would also make sense. The situation you're in right now, though, just doesn't make sense. Or, it doesn't make sense to me. I'm interested in some illumination as to why it makes sense to you.

Anonymous said...

OK, e, I'll be honest now...

The reason I posted what I did is that, having lost a lot of weight myself, I lose patience with people who say they want to lose weight, but continue to do nothing about it. I know that bitching to fatties won't help them and is ultimately futile, so I guess I'm posting out a massive sense of frustration.

I have read the archives and in some of those earlier posts the McGees express real pain at being so overweight. I want to tell them that they don't have to go through life being fat and feeling so bad about themsleves, that there is an alternative, but that THEY have to make it happen.

I'm not actually bitter and twisted, nor a bitch, but I will admit that I'm angry at myself for being so overweight for so long. So maybe I'm projecting that anger onto the McGees?

I think if people are fat and happy with themselves, that's cool, but when they constantly complain about how miserable it is to be fat but continue to binge and find excuses not to diet and exercise, I just want to shake them - or come over all Jillian Michaels on them.

So that's my story.

E said...

Hey--thanks.

Frustration and anger make sense to me, those are reasons, real, honest reasons. I don't even really disagree with the purported content of your or most trolls' posts, either--it's really just the (mostly terribly denigrating) tone and the (really insane amount of) repetition (which I'm sure would decrease if people just weren't baited) of the topic. And with that I'm talking trolls in general, not just your one or two posts.

Honestly, though, I didn't like the tone of your post, either, and while you may have only posted once or twice (it's hard to keep track with all the anonymouses), it's still the same freakin topic over and over again, admittedly because it's a reaction to the McGee's same freakin topic over and over again. I just have more understanding for the McGee's because I'm in the same boat, and while I make very, very sure never to complain about my fatness to my friends, I probably would complain in a blog (I do complain in my journal) to try to work out whatever dumb shit I'm putting in the way of changing myself. Because I am putting dumb shit in my own way, and I know it my own damn self, but part of the dumb shit is dumb shit I'm hanging on to from my mom, and my dad, and my grandma, and all these people who told me what to do and how to think and what to feel, and now I'm a goddamn fat 26 year old still putting this dumb shit from my childhood in front of me, and I don't know how else to get rid of it except for slowly whittling it down through expressing, out loud, somewhere, what it really is. And while I know a blog is public, I would hate (and do hate) to be faced with the same shit in my present as the shit that I'm hanging on to from my past, so I commend the McGees for their strength, because I probably would have culled the comments section long ago.

Erg. Probably TMI for you, sorry.

Anyway, while I can't agree with what you're doing or how you're doing it, at least, in your case, I now know where you're coming from, and it's not so bad. So, thanks.

Anonymous said...

e - you're welcome and I'm happy for you that you're working through the baggage. I wish I had done it when I was 26 and not waited until I was 46!

Anonymous said...

I think the McGees just don't want to put in the work. Losing weight isn't fun. It isn't easy. It's sometimes painful.
I recently gained 10 pounds and you know what? I'm hungry right now. But I've lost two pounds this week by cutting out food I'd rather eat and going to the gym for a little bit longer. Do I particularly want to do it? No. But I'd rather be uncomfortable for a couple weeks than berating myself for a lifetime.
It's just about facing reality, that sometimes the phrase "no pain no gain" is dead fucking serious.

Anonymous said...

But I'd rather be uncomfortable for a couple weeks than berating myself for a lifetime.

I hear you, sister! I wish I'd got on top of my weight problem when it was only ten pounds. Waiting until you're 40-something to lose the weight, then looking back at your life and realising all the things you missed out on really sucks. I really feel as though I'm making up for lost time.

Anon @ 5.17 and 6.21

Anonymous said...

(looks above) God what a fucking sad sack of shit.

Anonymous said...

(looks above) God what a fucking sad sack of shit

What's your problem? We're being honest here. Or don't you approve of people actually getting off their asses and losing weight? Go and choke on another packet of Doritos.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 12:42 - I take it you're a proud fatty? Now THAT's a fucking sad sack of shit!

muffin_top said...

What's your problem? We're being honest here. Or don't you approve of people actually getting off their asses and losing weight? Go and choke on another packet of Doritos.

Yeah bitch. What have YOU done today to make you feel proud?

Anonymous said...

I got out of bed.

skinny_bitch said...

I got out of bed.

Was it littered with cookie crumbs?

Anonymous said...

That whole "because cheeseburgers are just THAT good" thing is unbelievable to me. Can't you see what you're doing to your own happiness?

I mean, i struggle with weight, and cheeseburgers are just OFF the menu. Going on eating sprees involving dipping sauces and cheeseburgers is just insane to me.

It sounds to me like you girls are a little bit like alcoholics or drug addicts, but your drug of choice is food.

There is just NO reason why an educated, well-off woman in her twenties who is extremely unhappy at her current weight should be ingesting cheeseburgers. I mean, I know what it's like to eat extra calories at holidays, or after a stressful day, or get second helpings when you know you shouldn't ... but cheeseburgers? That's just self-destructive.

skinny_bitch said...

There is just NO reason why an educated, well-off woman in her twenties who is extremely unhappy at her current weight should be ingesting cheeseburgers.

And here we have the entire premise of this blog: "I hate being fat! (Gulp) Wah - people are mean to fatties (Belch) I wanna lose weight (Chewing noises) No, really I do! (Guzzle)..."

And on and on, ad nauseum.

Anonymous said...

What's the difference between whining, "I'm always broke!! I wish I had money. But spending sprees at mall are just that fun" and what the mcgees whine?

What exactly are your jobs that you can't focus on a diet/exercise program? I'm a lawyer -- I could see that if you worked in a firm, that might be the case, say. But I mean, no job is worth your health.

And I find it VERY hard to believe that if each of you called up a parent and said, "I want to hire a trainer. It's $200 a week" that they would be like, "no."

Anonymous said...

5:01, $200 a week might sound cheap; but if you use this trainer every week for a year, it equals $9,600 dollars. That's not exactly inexpesive.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, but what good is saving $9,600 a year if you're unhappy? If $9,600 could buy you a body that you were proud of off the rack at Macy's, I think you'd consider it a steal.

skinny_bitch said...

What exactly are your jobs that you can't focus on a diet/exercise program? I'm a lawyer -- I could see that if you worked in a firm, that might be the case, say. But I mean, no job is worth your health.

Anon @ 5.01. From what I've read, the McGees have 9.00 to 5.00 office jobs. It's not like they can't find the time to work out and prepare healthy foods, they just don't want to. Bingeing and blogging is so much more fun!

And I totally agree with "no job is worth your health." I put on masses of weight a few years ago when I was running my own business and working 90+ hours a week, week in and week out. * But somehow, I don't think the McGees are in that situation.

* As you can see from my username, I have since lost the weight.

skinny_bitch said...

If $9,600 could buy you a body that you were proud of off the rack at Macy's, I think you'd consider it a steal.

Good point, but it ain't gonna happen.